![]() All of that history, all of that is pointless. He was saying that all of human history that happened between the time of that first transformation and the time of the next transformation, which is the next part of the film, all of that is useless and pointless. because they’re hiding at night from the wild animals, and the monolith intervenes to bring about the first wave of enlightenment.ĭavid: Why do you think that the bone that the monkey uses as the weapon to kill gets thrown up in the air, and then it turns into the Odyssey. ![]() So the whole thing is about Hal is trying to stop them from becoming enlightened, because he’s reaching his own form of sentience.Īnd in the beginning, the monkeys were headed for extinction, for sure. They can be very messy, and that violence can come from transformation, especially if they’re not ready, and the first murder happened.Īnd then, of course, Bowman kills Hal at the end, near the end of the movie, before his transformation.Īnd then Hal, the AI computer, murders all the astronauts. They’re eating veggies before, plants, but after the encounter with the monolith, they turn into meat eaters.Īnd clearly, the next shot is a guy eating raw meat.Īnd then the first killing, the first murder, happens over the waterhole.Īnd, again, Kubrick is telling us that transformations are messy. They say, “What the hell? There’s 15 minutes of monkeys running around, screaming.”ĭavid: And then this obelisk shows up, and the first thing that happens when one of the monkeys touches it is he becomes aggressive. ![]() Yeah.ĭavid: So, Jay, when the original obelisk shows up, a lot of people are confused by “2001” at the beginning. So the aliens, whoever the high intelligence is, are trying to initiate humanity, and he’s the first one through the gate.ĭavid: Corey, do you think that “2001” might have been an effort to disclose the reality of Ancient Builder Race ruins, considering there’s this black, obelisk-type slab on the Moon?Ĭorey Goode: Oh, yeah. And that we are faced with kind of a Hobson’s choice, where we can go down the AI thing with Hal and have AI run our lives, or we can rebel against the AI, cut it short like the astronaut Bowman does in the movie, and then physically, organically ascend – ascend like he does, by going through the stargate. Jay: That we are on the edge of a great transformation – the human race is. Clarke, it says at the end, “based on a theory by Richard Hoagland.”ĭavid: What do you think the message of “2001” was? What were they trying to tell us in that movie? The “2010”, the followup novel by Arthur C. Jay: Which was based on Hoagland’s theory, too, by the way. So since this episode’s on the solar flash, and, of course, “2010” has a flash of Jupiter. which I’d never really seen the full extent of that. Jay: Yeah, about 10 years I spent with him.ĭavid: And you did some pretty phenomenal analysis of “2001”. Hoagland.ĭavid: So you worked with him for a long time. The way I first encountered you was through Richard C. I got into what you were doing a long time ago, and I think one of the first things. We’re here with Corey Goode, and we’re also here with one of the only guys who’s been in the scene longer than I have, Jay Weidner. David Wilcock: All right, welcome back to “ Cosmic Disclosure”.
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